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This is was a really good article by Liza published by the Republic of Letters. I saw all this go down. A random male author who Liza didn’t know, had never met and had never even seen before made a snide little joke at her expense. Also, he and one of his buddies started a hate chain about her. When Liza’s friends made her aware of this and sent her screenshots of what these guys were saying, she posted what they said and then they either deleted what they said or tried to play the victim. Liza then wrote a piece here on Pens & Poison defending herself and putting those bullies in their place. The backlash was swift and fierce. Legions of this guy’s angry supporters and third parties who knew nothing about this situation, jumped in to attack and harass her. Their insults were quite vile and they made no actual arguments just name calling, ad hominems, straw manning her, accusing her of “being cringe”, “having a meltdown”, “throwing a temper tantrum”, and so on and so forth.

It was truly surreal to witness and like nothing I’d ever seen on Substack before. Okay, let me defend Liza here. First of all, you have to understand that Liza had been on the receiving end of intense bullying for months and that it took it’s toll on her personally. She wrote that piece from a place of being hurt and fed up with the constant derision and abuse she was getting for no reason at all. People didn’t like she took shots at their appearance, their fedoras, etc. Turnabout is fair play and considering the nasty things they said about her, her insults were tame by comparison. By the way, those insults were all true. Liza is NOT sensitive to criticism! The thing this guy didn’t have a constructive criticism of her work, he made a petty, childish insult towards her. There is a HUGE difference between those things. If this guy disagrees with Liza he either should’ve A) Kept his opinion to himself or B) Written a civil and thoughtful response to one of her pieces.

Let me also set the record straight on something else, this was not just a “beef” this was an effort by two individuals to target another for vicious bullying and to insult them behind their back even though they don’t know her and know nothing about her. They acted like the mean girls in high school who don’t consider Liza “cool enough” to be part of their little clique, so they resort to picking on her. Did gender play a role in all this? Yes, to a degree it did. Liza is an opinionated woman on the internet. That in the minds of her bullies made her a prime target. How dare she speak her mind! In fact, I’d go a step further. She is a right-wing woman with libertarian views on politics and conservative views on culture and that made the liberal and leftist literary bros want to go after her even more. They also are jealous of her success and didn’t like her opinions therefore they declared war on Liza Libes. I was and still am appalled at what happened.

Shame on the women who joined in and attacked Liza along with those men! The men who attacked her are nothing but cowards who think their tough sitting behind their computer screen typing away. There was also a shocking lack of empathy among the people who went after her. What if this happened to a friend of there’s or someone they loved? What if this happened to their mother, daughter or sister? Would they feel the same way then? Liza handled this exactly the way she should’ve. You can’t take the high road with bullies because they’ll just keep on attacking you. So she stood up to them. Don’t police her response until you’ve walked a mile in her shoes. I give kudos to everyone who defended her and called out her bullies. I also commend Liza for taking these bullies on, exposing them for who they really are and bravely defending herself! Pens and Poison is simply about literary criticism and culture. It is for mature adults. There is no reason this article should’ve caused the stir it did and all these people who attacked her should go to 4Chan, Tumblr or X if they want to behave like that. Substack is a platform for thoughtful, civil and mature adults. I’m so sorry about all the bullying you’ve endured Liza! I hope you had a blessed Passover with family and friends and that you feel much better now!

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Liza,

I was not aware of this episode. Yes, it sounds like you threatened their self-esteem by your success on Substack.

I appreciate your writing and your views very much, often because I may not agree with them.

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