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Gareth Marks's avatar

Great piece. I have never understood why Ivy League admissions appear so dystopic-- having had experience in both the Canadian and UK systems, I feel pretty confident in saying that, unlike other vices of contemporary higher education, this one is uniquely American.

ivy ball's avatar

Great 👍🏿

Richard Kuslan's avatar

Same colors exactly at graduation, as well as the tassel. Still an extraordinary school. My alma mater, where very high civilizational standards are still taught.

Bob Barraclough's avatar

Inadvertant success. Ah yes, I know it well.

Natalia Lavrishina's avatar

I just had my 14 year old read it out loud for all of us at a family dinner table. Thank you!

Liza Libes's avatar

Aww that’s so sweet! Thank you and glad your 14-year-old enjoyed :)

Philip's avatar

Thank you so much for this! I'm a high school senior in the midst of the application process, and seeing my friends go through hellish experiences for the past four years really does make me feel sad. I myself am trying to aim for top schools and I'm trying to remind myself that it really isn't the end of the world if I don't get into any ILs... but when you're surrounded by high-achievers, it really is hard to detach that sweet school name from your personality.

Liza Libes's avatar

Wow, I have high schoolers reading Pens and Poison? This made my day! So happy to hear that there are teenagers who are still reading. Most of my seniors have not read a single book in the past four years. Wishing you the best of luck with your college admissions process!

The Long Game's avatar

It really is wild, because many of those types can achieve everything their hearts desire, but the moment they run into a person who is self-possessed, highly intelligent, internally-driven, and confident without any of the "optics" in place ..they spiral into a meankid meltdown.

Kate Susong's avatar

Amen and amen, Liza! Keep spreading the good word!

Morf Morford's avatar

My high school counselor told me to not even “think about college “. I did. And loved it….

The Long Game's avatar

"The secret to my unconventional success wasn’t sleepless nights or leadership or rigorous courses. I likely received an offer from Columbia because of the way my eyes sparkle when I’m lost in a discussion of iambic pentameter; because of how, at parties, I’m ensconced in a modest corner explaining the merits of Dostoyevsky; because I knew from an early age that I wanted to be a writer. I was probably the only seventeen-year-old that year who had read the complete works of Dickens and Chaucer and who had uploaded a poetry sample to a space reserved for scientific research supplements. And, most importantly, I had identified a lifestyle that put a smile on my face"

It's ironic that none of this needs school attendance. In fact, attendance gets in the *way* of doing these things.

"..that put a smile on my face" is pretty trite. The truth is that you need to be obedient and submissive to the establishment if you want a shot at their snobby, awful schools.

The University - including Ivy - model is going obsolete. The counter-elite is rising. These are the people who build family businesses that scale and climb and who don't need a signed document from a brainwashing institution to do it. Depending on the "network" is such a precarious place to be, especially since everyone knows the "network" is packed with envious backstabbers.

Just stay out of Wonderland and be independent and provide for yourself. That's success.

Eirawen's avatar

Tens of thousands of applicants. Low single digit acceptance rates. Is your proposed mechanism “finding students who care?” That would be the states goal of the entire system.

There’s so many people who claim to care, especially on a college application. So how do you *know* who cares? Well, lets look at their achievements.

So applicants need to find ways of demonstrating their passion, weaving an elaborate narrative from one adventure to the next accolade. Either that, or be so overwhelmingly capable (e.g. IMO Gold medalist) that the narrative speaks for itself.

The bigger problem is - this can be faked quite effectively if you start planning sufficiently far ahead (~freshman year of hs). Lo and behold, many people do.

Once you subtract the children of very influential people, the world class academic competitors, the outstanding athletes, the premiere dancers, the grassroots political organizers, the national award winning essayists/artists/photographers, the published researchers (in high school!), out of your tens of thousands of applicants, when you can only take like 2k people…. You get a couple hundred spots for people who’re otherwise “normal” but good at school and with essays you like. That group might as well be random.

Either you’re so good and so passionate that you can become recognized for it, in which case your admission is secured, or you roll the dice. So what exactly are you proposing?

Liza Libes's avatar

I work with students applying to college. Yes, what students need to do is care. That is precisely it. You can tell in 5 seconds if you have a student with a genuine passion or a student for whom the passion has been engineered. The issue is that most people think that you can engineer passion and try to do so instead of just focusing on themselves.

Eirawen's avatar

So have I, and I presently am at one of these institutions. Caring is not a difficult bar to cross - it’s the bare minimum. The only way you can differentiate the tens of thousands of people who care is by looking at their achievements, and now we’ve looped back into the elite admissions meta.

Richard Kuslan's avatar

Maroon and grey...Hopkins Grammar School?

Liza Libes's avatar

Not sure if I should be honored or offended that I come off as a Connecticut Prep School kid 😂

Nah I am from the plain ol' Midwest