👏👏👏 An incredible article that was so easy to read and understand from start to finish, Liza! You expressed so clearly and with good evidence why men are fleeing the literary space. It’s because they are not welcome and their work isn’t taken as seriously or as considered like women’s are. This guy David Morris who wrote that article …
👏👏👏 An incredible article that was so easy to read and understand from start to finish, Liza! You expressed so clearly and with good evidence why men are fleeing the literary space. It’s because they are not welcome and their work isn’t taken as seriously or as considered like women’s are. This guy David Morris who wrote that article seems like an elitist snob to me. So you’re telling me men don’t read literature because they are sexist d****bags who just sit around all day playing video games and watching porn? First of all, that’s pretty judgmental and also what’s wrong with those things? We’re human beings, adventure and sexuality are part of who we are. Second, maybe men would read more than non-fiction if they weren’t so scorned by the literary field! I’m a man and that doesn’t describe me or any man I know. I thought your own personal story about how you matured over the years and realized the majority of men weren’t as interested in literature was fascinating! So was what you said about men needing to be more masculine, which I agree with! Nothing against effeminate men or LGBT people, but it’s true. I don’t mean this meanly or to be disrespectful in any way, but when you said 17-year old you thought if a guy didn’t get the reference on the sign he couldn’t date you, I internally cringed so hard! But I also did things that I’m sure would make you cringe too when I was in high school so I get it. But I really admire how you overcame your preconceived notions about men in literature and are speaking out about the stark inequality in the literary industry today among publishers! That’s very admirable! We need to let men back into literary spaces and start writing and publishing literature that is for everyone. Not feminist or woke identitarian screeds! We don’t need another novel exploring “black queer fatness” or another book about what it means to be a Latina lesbian otherkin or such nonsense. We need literature with profound moral messages ALL human beings can understand and relate to! Discrimination against women in the literary field in the past (which is why for instance, George Eliot never used her real name) was wrong. Full stop. But two wrongs don’t make a right! Can you imagine how many great authors would never have gotten their work published if they were alive and writing their books and poetry today? Shakespeare, Poe, Chaucer, Whitman, Dr. Seuss, Hemingway, London, Mann, Dickens, Tolstoy, H.G. Wells, Washington Irving, Walter Dean Myers, Chaim Potok, and many more all gone. That’s just insanity! How can you deprive the world of “Romeo and Juliet”, “A Christmas Carol”, “Green Eggs and Ham”, and “The Canterbury Tales?!” That’s a crime! The publishing industry needs comprehensive reform and to reverse this trend of men running away from literature ASAP! Also, I couldn’t agree more that Joe Rogan and especially Andrew Tate, are no paradigms of moral virtue! Tate in particular has a 12-year olds understanding of masculinity. I’d love to see him try and match wits with you Liza, that would be truly hilarious! :)
Agree with all of the above, especially that two wrongs don’t make a right. That’s the point I’ve been trying to drill in people all along—they hate that men dominated publishing, but giving hegemony to women is just as bad. We need *equality.*
One of the things that's disturbed a lot of Gen X and older liberals is the hostile approach of the younger left toward free speech.
The right's conclusion is that the left only wanted free speech as long as they weren't in power; once they had 'the megaphone', so to speak, they were happy to start censoring.
👏👏👏 An incredible article that was so easy to read and understand from start to finish, Liza! You expressed so clearly and with good evidence why men are fleeing the literary space. It’s because they are not welcome and their work isn’t taken as seriously or as considered like women’s are. This guy David Morris who wrote that article seems like an elitist snob to me. So you’re telling me men don’t read literature because they are sexist d****bags who just sit around all day playing video games and watching porn? First of all, that’s pretty judgmental and also what’s wrong with those things? We’re human beings, adventure and sexuality are part of who we are. Second, maybe men would read more than non-fiction if they weren’t so scorned by the literary field! I’m a man and that doesn’t describe me or any man I know. I thought your own personal story about how you matured over the years and realized the majority of men weren’t as interested in literature was fascinating! So was what you said about men needing to be more masculine, which I agree with! Nothing against effeminate men or LGBT people, but it’s true. I don’t mean this meanly or to be disrespectful in any way, but when you said 17-year old you thought if a guy didn’t get the reference on the sign he couldn’t date you, I internally cringed so hard! But I also did things that I’m sure would make you cringe too when I was in high school so I get it. But I really admire how you overcame your preconceived notions about men in literature and are speaking out about the stark inequality in the literary industry today among publishers! That’s very admirable! We need to let men back into literary spaces and start writing and publishing literature that is for everyone. Not feminist or woke identitarian screeds! We don’t need another novel exploring “black queer fatness” or another book about what it means to be a Latina lesbian otherkin or such nonsense. We need literature with profound moral messages ALL human beings can understand and relate to! Discrimination against women in the literary field in the past (which is why for instance, George Eliot never used her real name) was wrong. Full stop. But two wrongs don’t make a right! Can you imagine how many great authors would never have gotten their work published if they were alive and writing their books and poetry today? Shakespeare, Poe, Chaucer, Whitman, Dr. Seuss, Hemingway, London, Mann, Dickens, Tolstoy, H.G. Wells, Washington Irving, Walter Dean Myers, Chaim Potok, and many more all gone. That’s just insanity! How can you deprive the world of “Romeo and Juliet”, “A Christmas Carol”, “Green Eggs and Ham”, and “The Canterbury Tales?!” That’s a crime! The publishing industry needs comprehensive reform and to reverse this trend of men running away from literature ASAP! Also, I couldn’t agree more that Joe Rogan and especially Andrew Tate, are no paradigms of moral virtue! Tate in particular has a 12-year olds understanding of masculinity. I’d love to see him try and match wits with you Liza, that would be truly hilarious! :)
Agree with all of the above, especially that two wrongs don’t make a right. That’s the point I’ve been trying to drill in people all along—they hate that men dominated publishing, but giving hegemony to women is just as bad. We need *equality.*
One of the things that's disturbed a lot of Gen X and older liberals is the hostile approach of the younger left toward free speech.
The right's conclusion is that the left only wanted free speech as long as they weren't in power; once they had 'the megaphone', so to speak, they were happy to start censoring.